{"id":3419,"date":"2026-10-10T09:35:29","date_gmt":"2026-10-10T07:35:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/consalta.ba\/?p=3419"},"modified":"2026-10-10T10:16:53","modified_gmt":"2026-10-10T08:16:53","slug":"lista-polaznika","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/consalta.ba\/ba\/the-participant-list\/","title":{"rendered":"Lista polaznika"},"content":{"rendered":"
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U ponedjeljak po\u010dinjem jo\u0161 jednu obuku ISO 27001 Lead Implementer<\/a>. Jedna sedmica, jedna sala i grupa ljudi koje uglavnom jo\u0161 ne poznajem.<\/p>\n

Pred svaku obuku radim isto. Otvorim listu polaznika i polako je pro\u010ditam. Ne gledam toliko imena. Gledam radna mjesta i firme i poku\u0161avam zamisliti ko \u0107e sjediti ispred mene. Standard koji predajem se ne mijenja. Ali primjeri koje biram se mijenjaju. Mijenjaju se i pitanja koja mogu o\u010dekivati, kao i dijelovi predavanja na kojima \u0107u malo usporiti.<\/p>\n

Ovaj put mi je lista izmamila osmijeh. Grupa je zaista dobro izmije\u0161ana. Tu su IT stru\u010dnjaci koji svaki dan grade i odr\u017eavaju sisteme. Tu je i menad\u017eer rizika koja razmi\u0161lja u kategorijama vjerovatno\u0107e i posljedica<\/a>. Tu je i CISO jedne velike banke, neko ko ve\u0107 nosi teret sigurnosnih odluka u stvarnoj firmi. Tu je neko ko \u017eeli postati konsultant. A tu je i jedna studentica, koja \u0107e do\u0107i svje\u017eih o\u010diju i bez navika koje smo mi ostali vremenom pokupili.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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Ta lista me podsjetila na ne\u0161to \u0161to ne ka\u017eem dovoljno \u010desto. Na ovim obukama dam mnogo. Ali uvijek ne\u0161to ponesem i ku\u0107i.<\/p>\n

Ono \u0161to ja donosim je lako opisati. S ovim standardom sam proveo dvadesetak godina, i to s obje strane stola. Pomagao sam firmama da izgrade svoje sisteme, a auditirao sam ih i za certifikaciju. Zato ljudima mogu re\u0107i \u0161ta dobro izgleda na papiru, a \u0161ta \"dr\u017ei vodu\" i kada do\u0111e vrijeme certifikacije.<\/p>\n

Ono \u0161to nosim ku\u0107i te\u017ee je opisati, ali je stvarno. Svaka osoba donese svoje iskustvo ili izazove iz svoje firme. I vrlo \u010desto me neko od njih ponuka na razmi\u0161ljanje.<\/p>\n

Obi\u010dno po\u010dne pitanjem: \u201eMo\u017eemo li mi to uraditi na drugi na\u010din?\u201c Ideja koja slijedi je nekad pomalo neobi\u010dna jer se stvari obi\u010dno ne rade tako...<\/p>\n

Kroz godine sam nau\u010dio da takve ideje ne odbacujem prebrzo. ISO 27001<\/a> je iznena\u0111uju\u0107e otvoren standard. Ka\u017ee vam \u0161ta trebate posti\u0107i, a ono \u201ekako\u201c uglavnom prepu\u0161ta vama. Zato neobi\u010dna ideja vrlo \u010desto funkcioni\u0161e. A ponekad je prihvati cijela sala, pa je zajedno pretvorimo u ne\u0161to bolje od onoga s \u010dim je bilo ko od nas po\u010deo.<\/p>\n

Jedan trenutak mi je ostao u sje\u0107anju. Pri\u010dali smo o dokumentaciji. Obja\u0161njavao sam ne\u0161to \u0161to ponavljam na svakoj obuci. Dokumentacija nije cilj implementacije standarda<\/a>. Dokumentacija postoji da bi osigurali konzistentnost i da bi se zabilje\u017eilo \u0161ta i kako radite. Treba slu\u017eiti vama... Ne smijete postati robovi birokratskog pravljenja dokumenata...<\/p>\n

Onda je jedan polaznik podigao ruku. \u201eMi smo softverska firma i mi \u017eivimo u Gitu. Mo\u017ee li i dokumentacija na\u0161eg sistema upravljanja \"\u017eivjeti\" tamo?\u201c<\/p>\n

Zamalo sam rekao: \u201e\u010cekaj malo, ne ide to ba\u0161 tako\u2026\u201c Onda sam stao... Razmi\u0161ljao sam o tome dobar minut - i rekao: a za\u0161to ne?<\/p>\n

Moje obrazlo\u017eenje je bilo jednostavno: \u201eStandardu nije bitno gdje va\u0161i dokumenti stoje. Bitno mu je samo da su pod kontrolom, a Git to ve\u0107 radi. Vjerovatno i bolje od dijeljenog foldera punog Word fajlova.\u201c<\/p>\n

On je oti\u0161ao s idejom za svoju firmu. Ja sam oti\u0161ao s boljim primjerom za sljede\u0107u obuku.<\/p>\n

To je dio ovog posla koji najvi\u0161e volim.<\/p>\n

\u0160to me vra\u0107a na listu za ovu sedmicu. Gledaju\u0107i sve te razli\u010dite uloge, palo mi je ne\u0161to na pamet.<\/p>\n

U stvarnoj firmi implementacija se nikad ne de\u0161ava sa ljudima koji isto razmi\u0161ljaju. IT, ljudi zadu\u017eeni za rizike, menad\u017ement i konsultant gledaju isti zahtjev i vide razli\u010dite stvari. Pola posla u implementaciji je posti\u0107i da se oni me\u0111usobno razumiju.<\/p>\n

Zato ovaj put mo\u017eda poku\u0161am ne\u0161to novo. Ove sedmice bih grupu mogao organizovati kao malu firmu. Inicijalno, svako dobija ulogu blisku onoj koju ima u stvarnom \u017eivotu. A onda se, iz vje\u017ebe u vje\u017ebu, mijenjaju. IT stru\u010dnjak postaje menad\u017eer rizika. CISO igra konsultanta. Student bi mogao zavr\u0161iti u ulozi najvi\u0161eg rukovodstva.<\/p>\n

Nemam pojma kako \u0107e to izgledati. Dio \u0107e vjerovatno biti haoti\u010dan. Ali imam osje\u0107aj da \u0107e ljudi vi\u0161e nau\u010diti brane\u0107i tu\u0111e stajali\u0161te jedno popodne nego iz bilo kojeg slajda koji bih im mogao pokazati.<\/p>\n

Haoti\u010dno ili ne, vrijedi poku\u0161ati. \nTo je to. U ponedjeljak dijelim uloge. U najgorem slu\u010daju, smijati \u0107emo se sigurno.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Pred svaku obuku ISO 27001 Lead Implementer \u010ditam listu polaznika. Ovaj put mi je izmamila osmijeh. 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